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And remember, we can talk about making a difference, we can make a difference, or we can do both. — Debbie Millman

Stephen Doyle is the creative director of Doyle Partners, and the winner of the National Design Award for Communication, 2010. He has worked at M&Co., Rolling Stone and Esquire. He's a member of AIGA, and was elected to the Alliance Graphique Internationale in 1995. Stephen teaches in the graduate program at The School of Visual Arts and has taught at Yale, The Cooper Union and NYU. He lives in Greenwich Village with his wife and two children. In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, he discusses working for Tibor Kalman, renting his soul to the devil, fear of failure, magazines, metaphors and working with his hands.