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And remember, we can talk about making a difference, we can make a difference, or we can do both. — Debbie Millman

Debbie talks to illustrator Roz Chast about how she earned a coveted spot as a cartoonist for The New Yorker magazine, and how her art is informed by the brutal reality of life. “You know I don't bound out of bed thinking ‘This is just another great day in my endless great life.’”

Roz Chast

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