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And remember, we can talk about making a difference, we can make a difference, or we can do both. — Debbie Millman

Debbie talks to Eric Zimmer about the twists and turns in his surprising career as a tech entrepreneur, and abot some of the things he's learned along the way. "You've got a kind of budget, you've got a certain amount of energy that your brain has to do things."

Eric Zimmer

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