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C. Thi Nguyen—philosopher, professor, and author of Games: Agency as Art—joins to discuss his new book, The Score: How to Stop Playing Somebody Else’s Game, and how metrics, from grades to likes, quietly reshape what we value and who we become. Together, they explore games as “libraries of agency,” the allure of scoring systems, and…







































—Tim Ferriss
Design Matters is one of the first and longest running podcasts in the world. Launched on February 4th, 2005 from two telephone landlines, Design Matters has evolved from a niche, live internet radio program to a widely respected, multi-award-winning podcast. Hosted by designer, writer, educator, and artist Debbie Millman, the show centers on how the world’s most incredibly creative people—designers, writers, artists, musicians, educators, scientists, philosophers, athletes and performers—design the trajectory of their lives. Each deeply researched long-form interview features a guests origin story, the challenges they’ve encountered, the choices they’ve made and the remarkable art they create.
Design Matters has won a Cooper Hewitt National Design Award, been nominated for ten Webby Awards (winning two) and two Ambie Awards. The show has also won a Signal Award, three Communicator Awards and three awards from The Academy of Interactive and Visual Arts. Design Matters has been listed on over 100 “Best Podcasts” lists, including one of the best podcasts in the world by Business Insider and Vanity Fair.
Named “one of the most influential designers working today” by Graphic Design USA, and “one of the most creative people working in business” by Fast Company, Debbie Millman is also an author, educator, brand strategist and host of the podcast Design Matters.
